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#もの書き 2013-12-09

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2013/12/09 00:00:00
00:03:31 <ponzz> それはそれとして、ほんとどうするかな……
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00:09:33 <Pikoyan> 日本の田舎に帰るというノリを10倍くらいの規模でやってるのが中国じゃなかったっけか
00:10:04 Shijima -> Shi-GMa
00:10:31 <Pikoyan> アレは要するに地方に居た人間が都市で仕事をするようになってそんなに世代が経過してないために折を見て地方に戻るという流れなので
00:10:53 <Pikoyan> それが２世代３世代と経過して地方と都市のつながりがなくなれば消えていくのじゃないかと
00:13:12 <akiraani> 中国には家という制度が日本よりも規模が大きい状態で残っているので、減りはしてもなくなることはないんじゃないかと思う
00:13:52 <akiraani> 日本の場合はあくまで田舎のコミュニティだったから、世代一つ超えてしまえば完全に縁が切れるけど
00:14:05 <akiraani> 家は、血族のつながりなので消えないんじゃないかと
00:14:05 <Pikoyan> 都市に行った家族による別の家ということになってしまえば途切れるんじゃね？
00:15:45 <akiraani> 聞いた話なので確証はないですが、家というよりは血族に近い規模の集団生活をしているという話をどっかで聞いたことがあります
00:16:39 <akiraani> だから都市に行くにしても、端から勘当された状態で移住したとかでない限り「戻る」ことが出来るのでは内かと
00:18:00 Morris -> MorrisZZZ
00:18:03 <akiraani> 日本の地方コミュニティはあくまで「済んでる人」が主体になっているので、そこらへんちょっと事情が違う可能性はあるんじゃないかと
00:18:16 <akiraani> 住んでる人＞済んでる人
00:20:41 <akiraani> 季節の節目には里帰りする、くらいの解消があれば、ネットを介して血族のコミュニティが遠隔地でも維持される、とか
00:20:52 <akiraani> 解消＞甲斐性
00:22:52 <akiraani> まあ、あくまで可能性のレベルの話ですが
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09:13:48 <AizawaYu2> 世界仰天生物日記 : 体重約500kgアメリカジョージア州で射殺された巨大なイノブタ「ホグジラ」 　http://gyo-ten.doorblog.jp/archives/674125.html　アイエエエ！？　ホグジラ！？　ホグジラナンデ！？　まさにモンスター！？　FOE!?
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09:18:50 <AizawaYu2> ファンタジー世界でこんなのに出会ったら逃げ出しますがな
09:19:16 <AizawaYu2> ファンタジー世界でも魔法ありで火の玉が撃てるとかならまだいいけど
09:19:30 <AizawaYu2> 魔法のない世界だったらこいつはキツイ……。
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09:24:16 <AizawaYu2> 今巨大タヌキ、巨大キツネというコトダマを受信した……。
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09:24:38 <AizawaYu2> あと何が巨大だったらインパクトはあるかな。クマとか鹿は普通だし。
09:24:57 <AizawaYu2> 巨大牛
09:25:21 <AizawaYu2> ……割りといるような気もする……。
09:25:25 <AizawaYu2> 水牛とか
09:25:43 <AizawaYu2> 巨大馬
09:25:59 <AizawaYu2> 誰が乗るんだ。巨人か。
09:26:12 <AizawaYu2> 巨大羊
09:26:29 <AizawaYu2> 毛がもこもこしてそうである
09:26:37 <AizawaYu2> 巨大ヤギ
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09:27:04 <AizawaYu2> 角での体当たりが強力そうである。
09:27:12 <AizawaYu2> 巨大アルパカ
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09:27:52 <AizawaYu2> ……アルパカ！？　アルパカナンデ！？
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09:30:55 <AizawaYu2> 巨大リス
09:31:06 <AizawaYu2> どこぞのFFにいたような気もする
09:31:30 <AizawaYu2> 巨大ムササビ
09:31:38 <AizawaYu2> せっかくだから（以下ry
09:32:16 <AizawaYu2> 巨大ハムスター
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09:32:40 <AizawaYu2> ……なんかであったような覚えも……。
09:32:57 <AizawaYu2> 巨大ヨーグルト
09:33:02 <AizawaYu2> イカスー
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09:34:03 <AizawaYu2> 巨大ネコ
09:34:13 <AizawaYu2> ……それライオンとか虎とか言わないか？
09:36:40 <aba[AWAY]> 巨大チワワ
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09:37:13 <aba[AWAY]> 巨大トイプードル
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09:38:24 <AizawaYu2> あれが３メートルぐらいあるのか
09:38:31 <AizawaYu2> ……恐ろしいな
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09:41:36 <AizawaYu2> しかしこのピグジラを猟銃で仕留めたというのが……。どんだけ強力なんだ、銃ってものは
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09:42:20 <AizawaYu2> ……記事では殺した後埋めたのだが
09:42:52 <AizawaYu2> ファンタジー世界だったらアンデッドになっていたなこれ……。現実世界でよかったね！
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11:16:30 <Kannna> ＃はにょんごじゃます
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14:12:58 <Kannna> おでんmgmg
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14:44:51 <Kannna> http://jp.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idJPTYE9B803P20131209
14:45:15 <Kannna> [ロイター日本語版]＞ドイツで恒例の「サンタ・ラン」、1000人が赤でコース染める
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15:16:21 <Yu_Aizawa> TRPGのキャラクターシートに関する私の黒歴史 - ちゆ12歳 http://tiyu.to/131208.shtml たーんえー
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15:17:33 <Yu_Aizawa> TRPGをやったものがあるなら、誰もが一度は経験があるはずだっ！
15:17:46 <Yu_Aizawa> やったことが
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15:22:24 <Yu_Aizawa> （自作ルールを書いたノートを隠しながら
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15:26:06 <Yu_Aizawa> そういえば巨大ブタの話を朝したが
15:26:25 <Yu_Aizawa> ログホラに巨大ブタ（イノシシ）いたな……。
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15:26:53 <Yu_Aizawa> あれがクレセントムーンのハンバーガーの材料になっていたが
15:27:25 <Yu_Aizawa> レイドボスの巨大イノシシは味が大雑把すぎるのでハンバーガーには使えないという……。
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15:28:54 <Yu_Aizawa> 小竜くん(´・ω・)ｶﾜｲｿｽ
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15:35:13 <Yu_Aizawa> アキバの街の冒険者（エルダー・テイルのプレイヤー）が異世界転移に巻き込まれて、円卓会議が発足して世界の秘密一つが解明されて治安などが良くなって行く流れを、円卓会議の外側の冒険者から見る視点って、あのPKたちが一番わかり易いのかな
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15:41:48 <Yu_Aizawa> シロエたちの外側で、世界＜アキバ＞が変わる様子を目撃する冒険者の話か、四国エリア（TRPGの舞台）あたりの話を二次創作で書こうかなあ。後者はルルブが手に入ったらだけど。
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15:43:44 <Yu_Aizawa> しかし新人賞にも応募用の作品を出さなきゃならないし、そうすると忙しくなるお……。
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15:46:46 <Yu_Aizawa> しかしフォーランドがD&Dのエベロンのゼンドリック大陸とダブって見えるのはなぜだろうか……。
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15:49:21 <Yu_Aizawa> ススキノはあれから結構変わったのか
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15:52:03 <Yu_Aizawa> なら二次創作の候補としてはいいかもしれないな。web本編現在の話として書くなら。
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16:10:19 <shirakiya> そちらがわ（技術変革の外側）にいる側からの視点でものを書く、というのも楽しげ
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16:12:03 <shirakiya> 「なぜお前はやらなかったんだ？」「おれはこのゲームの牧歌的な空気が好きだったんだよ。あんたたちが外の世界と同じにしちまったけどな」
16:16:00 <Yu_Aizawa> さてちとお風呂を洗ってお湯入れて入ってくる(ヽ´ω`)ノシ
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17:20:02 <aba[AWAY]> まったく無いな＜独自のキャラシ作成
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20:07:14 <Kannna> ＃ばんはぁ
20:07:31 <koi-chan> ＃こんばんは。
20:07:47 <Kannna> ＃どーもですぅノシ
20:07:51 <hir_CF> こいちゃんさんまんだ
20:08:07 <koi-chan> どもー
20:08:22 <hir_CF> 毎日のように自給自足の本を読んでいるが
20:08:34 <hir_CF> これ1年で全部やんの？と思うと絶望的であるな
20:08:41 <hir_CF> .a 自給自足の本
20:08:41 (Toybox) Amazon.co.jp の商品一覧から http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/search?ie=UTF8&tag=koubou-22&keywords=%E8%87%AA%E7%B5%A6%E8%87%AA%E8%B6%B3%E3%81%AE%E6%9C%AC をどうぞ♪
20:09:03 <Kannna> ふみゅん
20:09:05 <koi-chan> 情報量多そうです。
20:09:20 <hir_CF> ああ、こいちゃんさんまんはまだ読んでなかったか
20:09:31 <hir_CF> 情報量つーかやるべきことが地獄のように多い
20:09:45 <koi-chan> 過多そうです。強そうです。
20:10:09 <hir_CF> 風車とかの運用法まで書いてあるからな
20:11:13 <hir_CF> 自分としては発電に使うのはお勧めできないので揚水用に風車使って水力発電の方がいいなあとか思ったりはする
20:11:33 <hir_CF> 自給自足ハウス建てるだけで何千万かかるだろうなあ……
20:12:40 <hir_CF> せっかくだから自給自足生活するキャラクターが出てくる話でも書くかなあ
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20:17:11 <hir_CF> なぐーもんだ（捕食
20:17:13 <koi-chan> 次回作ですかー。
20:17:29 <hir_CF> うみり
20:17:30 <koi-chan> 書いてないなぁ……(遠い目
20:17:34 <hir_CF> まずはぬこをなんとかせんとなあ
20:18:17 <koi-chan> あれ、この前人にすすめそうになりましたよ＞3Dプリンタロボット猫
20:18:35 <hir_CF> ぬこー
20:18:39 <koi-chan> にゃー
20:18:41 <hir_CF> ＧＡではあえなくおちた（もふ
20:18:54 <koi-chan> あらら……。
20:18:56 <hir_CF> ブログが2週間に1回くらいの頻度で更新である
20:19:10 <hir_CF> 落ちたからもう公開しておる（くてり
20:19:24 <hir_CF> まだ最後までうｐしてないが
20:22:26 <hir_CF> http://blog.livedoor.jp/hirhirhirhir/　ぶろぐ
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20:43:16 <akiraani> http://slashdot.jp/journal/575365/ここらでログホラのアニメについて語ってみる
20:43:40 <akiraani> ログホラのステマ日記書いたぜいえー
20:43:49 <hir_CF> デスマにみえた
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21:01:48 <akiraani> しかし、本当に第4話以降、ログホラのアンチが全く目につかなくなった
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