#もの書き予備 2018-05-03
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00:00:39
<Marcy> 成熟したらシンプルな方へ回帰して、複雑さが批判されるとかもありがち
00:00:47
<NM> あるある
00:23:09
<Marcy> まあ文化が成熟するってことは、見る側の目が肥えるってことだから
00:23:18
<Marcy> 自然の流れだよね
00:25:48
<NM> うん
00:29:05
<Marcy> んでまあ、今はネットの普及で80年代や90年代に比べて、そうした目の肥えた素人の評論が可視化されやすくなってるんで
00:29:59
<Marcy> 「矛盾をより細かく指摘する」ってのは多分今始まった風潮じゃないと思う
00:30:22
<Marcy> 見えやすくなっただけ
00:31:08
<Marcy> 体験から言えば
00:32:16
<Marcy> 80~90年代のオタクコミュニティだと、人気作品のそうした細かい矛盾を指摘して、ちょっと斜に構えた評論して見せるのが
00:32:33
<Marcy> かっこいいって空気はあった
00:32:47
<NM> たぶん江戸時代に句会とかやってた頃から同じだと思う。
00:32:56
<Marcy> コミュニティ以外に出る機会がなかなかなかっただけ
00:33:09
<Marcy> うんうん
00:35:47
<Marcy> 江戸後期は大衆文芸の円熟期だったから
00:36:19
<Marcy> やはり同様に素人評論の類は盛んだった模様
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