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#kataribe 2013-12-07

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2013/12/07 00:00:00
00:08:48 <kurov> 進捗どうですかってなんなんじゃろな……
00:08:57 <kurov> 流行についてけない古代人
00:12:19 ! tatsu114 (Quit: ろくでもない。ほんとろくでもない。)
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00:28:02 _06D_Shoukaku -> hir_CF_
00:30:34 <gallows_> tataima
00:30:58 ! gallows (Connection closed)
00:30:58 <Toyolina> おかえ
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00:36:55 <gallows> ぶちぶちきれる
00:37:24 <Toyolina> きれまくりっすね
00:42:28 <Toyolina> ADSL？
00:46:14 <gallows> 光っす
00:46:35 <gallows> IRC以外切れないのでさっぱりわからんちん
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00:49:39 <kurov> ウボアーこいんやのごとし
2013/12/07 01:00:00
01:04:13 <Toyolina> 裏でPing延々と売ってたら切れないんじゃないやろか
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2013/12/07 02:00:00
02:03:20 <kurov> おやつがほしいなとおもって
02:03:24 <kurov> コートを羽織ったのだけども
02:03:29 <kurov> ダラダラといきている
02:03:36 <kurov> はーはたらきたくねえ
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02:26:30 <kurov> キルラみてねよう…
2013/12/07 03:00:00
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2013/12/07 08:00:00
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08:18:32 <utako> おはおいーっす
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08:20:16 <gallows> とよさんビンゴ。Ping打ってればおちない
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16:22:23 Morris -> MorrisAFK
16:22:29 <MorrisAFK> 鍼に行ってきます
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18:33:52 <utako> 忘年会ﾄﾞｩｱ
18:34:10 <utako> 飲んで酔っ払ってきます
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18:42:51 MorrisAFK -> Morris
18:43:26 <Morris> Twitterにも投げたけど
18:43:50 <Morris> 鍼治療の真っ最中、全身ハリネズミ状態で先生が離れてる時に
18:43:59 <Morris> 眠くなってうとうとしてて
18:44:07 <Morris> ビクッてなったんですよ……
18:44:54 <Morris> ええ、全身に鍼が刺さってる時にね……
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19:18:09 <Morris> 忘年会に行ったはずのうたこさんがこの時間に落ちてる謎
19:18:30 <Morris> まあタイマーでのPCシャットダウンかな
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20:21:13 <SAIRU> こんば
20:26:30 + mimio-64 (mimio-64!mimio-64@w5d211.BN14.vectant.ne.jp) to #kataribe
20:26:46 <mimio-64> こんばんは
20:30:31 <TK-Leana> こばわ
20:41:10 <mimio-64> PS3買った
20:42:23 <mimio-64> ワンダと巨像はじめてやって、巨像のでかさにびびった
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20:43:51 <mimio-64> こんばんは
20:43:51 <gallows> おはようございまーす
20:44:00 <TK-Leana> おはよっす
20:44:01 <mimio-64> 夜勤っぽい挨拶
20:45:25 <mimio-64> 3D酔いもした
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20:56:36 <tatsu114> ある程度動けるようになると
20:56:44 <tatsu114> 世界を堪能できますよ
20:56:55 <tatsu114> 走るだけでも楽しい
20:58:47 <mimio-64> 状況で音が変化するのもよくできてますね
20:59:35 <mimio-64> ほんと走るだけで楽しい
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21:11:47 <gallows> のす
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21:12:36 <mimio-64> おかえりなさい
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21:29:10 <chita> H_Aoiさんはおらんか
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21:49:23 <tatsu114> （ごろごろちょっぷ
21:50:14 <chita> H_Aoiさん、お車なあに
21:50:32 <H_Aoi> んにゃ？ 今乗ってる車？
21:50:39 <H_Aoi> Noteですよ
21:51:09 <chita> OBD2にデバイスつけてデータ読みだすツール、お勧めはありませんか
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21:53:08 <chita> ごめんなさい、なにかきっともってると思って質問してしまいました
21:53:17 <H_Aoi> OBDは素人が手をだしちゃいけませんぜｗ
21:53:54 <chita> だって楽しそうなんだもん
21:54:09 <H_Aoi> 通信がCANならhttp://www.compass-lab.com/CAN_Tool/CANUSB.htm
21:54:23 <H_Aoi> の、CANUSBがお勧めだけど、アプリは自分で組まないといけんね
21:54:32 <H_Aoi> 私も仕事で使ってる
21:55:09 <chita> やっぱり本格的なものは高価だな
21:55:31 ! gallows (Connection closed)
21:55:57 <chita> そもそもCANバスという単語すら知らなんだ
21:56:31 <H_Aoi> 基本的に、車両に搭載されてる電子機器は
21:56:43 <H_Aoi> CANで通信するか、MOSTで通信するかが多いっすね
21:57:08 <chita> MOSTというのもあるのか
21:57:18 <H_Aoi> MOSTはトヨタ系だと電線つかったMOST、ヨーロッパ系だと光ファイバーか
21:57:32 <chita> 私の目についたのがこれです。車種つながりで
21:57:35 <chita> http://www5a.biglobe.ne.jp/~kff/x20100413_1.html
21:58:13 <H_Aoi> おそらくこのコネクタ形状だったら
21:58:22 <H_Aoi> 通信はCANかと
21:58:33 <chita> あら。コネクタ形状から違うのか
21:59:04 <H_Aoi> 燃費情報が流れるのは、エンジンECUから出るでしょうから
21:59:16 <H_Aoi> それはBODY制御系のCANにつながってるはず
21:59:20 <H_Aoi> たぶんｗ
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22:00:32 <H_Aoi> BODY系のECUは車両速度とか、ハンドルの曲角とかを通信でやり取りするから
22:00:45 <chita> 調べるのに使えそうな単語をいろいろ教えて頂いてありがとうございます
22:00:47 <H_Aoi> 素人が手をだしてうっかりショートさせると走行中に危険があるかと
22:01:02 <chita> うわあ、わくわくするなあ
22:01:15 <chita> ごめんなさい、何も知らないから言えるんです
22:01:34 <H_Aoi> ちなみに、通信データは横取りで見ることできますけど、どの通信パケットのどこに何の情報があるかは
22:01:44 <H_Aoi> 企業秘だから
22:01:48 <H_Aoi> わからんとおもうけどなあ、、
22:02:52 <chita> 何か面白そうなのがあるといいな、という程度で
22:03:09 <H_Aoi> ふむー
22:03:17 <H_Aoi> まあ、走行中に弄ったりしなければ
22:03:28 <H_Aoi> 大丈夫かと
22:03:39 <H_Aoi> まあ
22:03:53 <H_Aoi> BODY CANへ直結は、ハーネスをいじくらないとできないと思うから
22:03:56 <H_Aoi> 大丈夫でしょうけど
22:04:10 <chita> 燃費計測しかできないとしても、それはそれで
22:04:28 <H_Aoi> うむー
22:05:05 <H_Aoi> ちなみに
22:05:15 <H_Aoi> その辺のツールの業界標準が ＞http://vector.com/vj_index_jp.html
22:05:19 <H_Aoi> ここのツール
22:05:44 <H_Aoi> 欧州、USA、日本と、まず間違いなくどの車メーカーも使ってる標準ツール
22:05:50 <H_Aoi> むっちゃお高いですが
22:06:30 <chita> どんなことができるか、読めばわかるかもしれない
22:10:58 <H_Aoi> プログラムを組むと、車のECUのシミュレートができたりします
22:19:30 <chita> じゃあ別のプログラムを組んだら、ECUから車を操作できそうだな
22:34:27 <chita> 怪しげなプログラムを組むにしても、コネクタに繋ぐ何かを買わんと始まらない。スマートフォンのアプリで利用するならBluetoothで信号飛ばすやつがよさそうだ
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23:02:59 <MOTOI> 葵さんいらっしゃいます？
23:05:34 <MOTOI> 不在かな
23:17:30 <H_Aoi> あい
23:17:37 <H_Aoi> すみません、MHFしてました
23:18:32 <MOTOI> ちょっとスキーOFFに関して現状確認させて頂きたく
23:19:41 <H_Aoi> あいー
23:20:21 <MOTOI> 今の状態だと、女性と子供はそれぞれ一人ずつになりますよね？
23:25:08 <H_Aoi> んや
23:25:19 ! meltdown (Quit: 皆様に「砂漠の風」のあらんことを)
23:25:24 <H_Aoi> D16さんご夫婦がいますから、女性二人子供さん二人ですね
23:25:53 <MOTOI> なるほど
23:25:54 <H_Aoi> ２泊目はD16さんご夫婦はお帰りになるので、奥さんとお子さんの二人になります
23:26:27 <H_Aoi> で、女性とお子さんは、男性面子と別に部屋とります
23:26:41 <MOTOI> 11日にいらっしゃって12日にお帰りになるという認識？＞D16さん
23:27:31 <H_Aoi> そうですね、土曜日に来て日曜日に帰るとのことですー
23:27:53 <MOTOI> ほむほむ
23:28:11 + Prof_M_ (Prof_M_!moriarty@i222-150-8-196.s02.a004.ap.plala.or.jp) to #kataribe
23:28:17 <H_Aoi> で、あと、モリスさんに確認しないとですが
23:28:57 <H_Aoi> これ以上増えなければ、私、きしとん、ふかにゃー、MOTOIさんご一家、D16さんご一家
23:28:59 <H_Aoi> かな
23:29:19 <H_Aoi> 二泊目はD16さんご一家がお帰りになります
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23:30:18 <H_Aoi> 詳細はまた追って詰めようと思いますが、MOTOIさんところは今回初で地理わからないでしょうから
23:30:41 <H_Aoi> 途中のわかりやすいところで合流して、私の車で先導しようかなあ
23:30:44 <H_Aoi> と思ってます
23:30:51 <H_Aoi> こられるのは車ですよね？
23:30:57 <MOTOI> いやね、子供がうちの息子一人だけだと、息子もつまらないだろうし、実質うちの嫁一人で息子につきっきりになっちゃうだろうから負担ばかりかけちゃうかな、と心配になったので質問させていただいた次第です
23:31:21 <H_Aoi> なるう
23:31:23 <MOTOI> はい、車です
23:32:21 <MOTOI> 息子連れて温泉行ったり朱印集め行ったりするのも無茶でしょうし
23:32:26 <H_Aoi> 一泊目はD16さんところの娘さんもいらっしゃいますし、奥方お一人ってことはないですから、大丈夫でしょう
23:33:09 <H_Aoi> 朱印は全部は無理でしょうけど、外湯何件かいくのは大丈夫だとおもいますよー
23:33:28 <H_Aoi> なんなら私別にスキー滑らなくてもいいですしー
23:34:22 <H_Aoi> MOTOIさんが滑られるなら、その間私が奥様と息子さんに付いてもいいですしね
23:34:34 <H_Aoi> ゲレンデはきしとんに任せれば良いし
23:34:41 <MOTOI> うちの子一人のために他の参加者さんに制約掛けるのも申し訳ないですが……。
23:35:08 <H_Aoi> いやいやｗ 私は最近滑らないこと多いのでｗ
23:35:23 <H_Aoi> たぶん、ふかにゃーも温泉組みじゃないかなｗ
23:36:02 <H_Aoi> 猫屋さんとかD16さんご一家が来て良くわかったんですが
23:36:17 <H_Aoi> 基本、スキーの参加者のみんな子供好きですわｗ
23:36:35 <MOTOI> ｗ
23:36:53 <H_Aoi> あ、子供で思い出した
23:37:15 <H_Aoi> MOTOIさん、お子さんの食事は一人前だと多いですかねえ？
23:37:36 <MOTOI> 大人一人前だと流石に多いですね
23:37:49 <MOTOI> ファミレスのお子様ランチくらいだったら平らげちゃうけど
23:37:54 <H_Aoi> ふむー
23:38:09 <H_Aoi> D16さんのところと合わせて宿の方と話してみますね
23:38:19 <H_Aoi> たぶん子供用１人前でいけるんじゃないかな
23:38:35 <MOTOI> いろいろご配慮いただき感謝です
23:38:51 <H_Aoi> アレルギーとか、避けなきゃいけない食材なんかあります？
23:38:53 <MOTOI> ちなみにアレルギーはありませんのでご安心を＜息子
23:38:57 <H_Aoi> おおｗ
23:39:05 <H_Aoi> 良いことですなｗ
23:39:21 <H_Aoi> では明日にでも宿の方と相談してみますねー
23:39:38 <MOTOI> 蕎麦は単体で食べさせたことはないけど、蕎麦を出すようなうどん屋のうどん食って平気なのでおそらく大丈夫かと
23:39:51 <H_Aoi> ふむー
23:40:04 <H_Aoi> じゃあ大丈夫ですね
23:40:15 <H_Aoi> そっちはむしろふかにゃーが危ない ＞蕎麦
23:40:39 <H_Aoi> まあ、何かあっても現役のドクターが居ますから大丈夫でしょうｗ
23:42:29 <H_Aoi> とりあえず、わかりやすい目標として
23:43:01 <H_Aoi> 車でこられるならJRの、飯山駅か戸狩野沢温泉を目指していただければ
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23:43:21 <H_Aoi> あそこが一番車での合流がしやすいし、わかりやすいかと
23:43:37 <utako> ただいまー
23:43:38 <utako> よっぱっぱ
23:43:44 <TK-Leana> おかー
23:43:52 <H_Aoi> おかえり
23:44:43 <utako> 水炊き食べながらまどマギとサバゲの話ししかして来なかった気がする
23:46:06 <H_Aoi> いちおう、私はきしとんと一緒に、午前中早い時間に飯山入りする予定なので
23:46:19 <H_Aoi> 適宜連絡をいただければ、柔軟に対処いたします
23:48:54 <MOTOI> 東京方面からだと、関越道の塩沢石打か、上信越道の豊田飯山で降りることになってますね
23:49:17 <H_Aoi> たぶん、上信越の豊田飯山が一番わかりやすいとおもいます
23:49:24 <H_Aoi> ほとんど一本道なので
23:50:22 <MOTOI> ICからの距離も豊田飯山の方が全然短いので、やはりその方が楽でしょうな
23:50:30 <MOTOI> 不慣れな道だし
23:56:44 <H_Aoi> 慌てる事はないので、ゆっくり来ていただければー
23:56:51 <H_Aoi> 子供さんもいらっしゃいますね
23:57:32 <kurov> ねむす

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